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	<title>Comments on: Marketfish Raises Cash from Alliance of Angels, Looks to Elbow List Brokers Out of Lead-Gen Space</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Cushinsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Cushinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been list broker for more than 23 years.  The experience, knowledge and service we veteran list brokers provide to companies like Dell is extremely valuable.  Marketfish may work with someone who wants to rent general business or consumer compiled data, which many companies including ours already makes available online 24/7/365, and make their payments via a shopping cart but I highly doubt this would ever come to fruition with most other lists out there.  The savvy, larger, mailers certainly know better.  It&#039;s almost like saying they should be able to fix their own automobiles when they break down - need a mechanic, hire a mechanic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been list broker for more than 23 years.  The experience, knowledge and service we veteran list brokers provide to companies like Dell is extremely valuable.  Marketfish may work with someone who wants to rent general business or consumer compiled data, which many companies including ours already makes available online 24/7/365, and make their payments via a shopping cart but I highly doubt this would ever come to fruition with most other lists out there.  The savvy, larger, mailers certainly know better.  It’s almost like saying they should be able to fix their own automobiles when they break down – need a mechanic, hire a mechanic!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Pych / NextMark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Pych / NextMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Scott makes at least two false assuptions: (1) &quot;Dell can&#039;t source the marketing lists themselves&quot; and (2) &quot;Dell has to hire a list broker who sources it for them&quot;.

Not true.

Dell or anyone else can source the marketing lists themselves.  Nobody is forced to go through a list broker.  

However, many choose to utilize the services of a list broker because they bring experience and advice that enables better mailing list purchasing decisions.  This, in turn, leads to better ROI on your marketing campaign.

Best of all, the services of a list broker are free.

Why would you do it yourself and risk blowing your marketing campaign when you can get professional advice and help for free? That&#039;s why firms like Dell choose to hire list brokers.

For more information on this topic, read the article &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nextmark.com/articles/4simplerules.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Four Simple Rules for Better Mailing Lists&lt;/a&gt;.

Finally, Dave Scott is right in pointing out that the speed at which the mailing list purchasing process traditionally operates is a problem.  It&#039;s not 24 days as he states, but it&#039;s certainly not &quot;internet speed&quot; as you would reasonably expect these days.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nextmark.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NextMark&lt;/a&gt; is solving this problem in cooperation with the industry.  This &quot;play nice&quot; strategy gives you the best of both worlds - speed and intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Scott makes at least two false assuptions: (1) “Dell can’t source the marketing lists themselves” and (2) “Dell has to hire a list broker who sources it for them”.</p>
<p>Not true.</p>
<p>Dell or anyone else can source the marketing lists themselves.  Nobody is forced to go through a list broker.  </p>
<p>However, many choose to utilize the services of a list broker because they bring experience and advice that enables better mailing list purchasing decisions.  This, in turn, leads to better ROI on your marketing campaign.</p>
<p>Best of all, the services of a list broker are free.</p>
<p>Why would you do it yourself and risk blowing your marketing campaign when you can get professional advice and help for free? That’s why firms like Dell choose to hire list brokers.</p>
<p>For more information on this topic, read the article <a href="http://www.nextmark.com/articles/4simplerules.html" rel="nofollow">Four Simple Rules for Better Mailing Lists</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, Dave Scott is right in pointing out that the speed at which the mailing list purchasing process traditionally operates is a problem.  It’s not 24 days as he states, but it’s certainly not “internet speed” as you would reasonably expect these days.  <a href="http://www.nextmark.com/" rel="nofollow">NextMark</a> is solving this problem in cooperation with the industry.  This “play nice” strategy gives you the best of both worlds – speed and intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory T. Huang</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/08/26/marketfish-raises-cash-from-atlas-accelerator-looks-to-elbow-list-brokers-out-of-online-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-77924</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory T. Huang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article&#039;s description of list marketing was my interpretation of how Dave Scott described it. Scott clarifies the process as follows:

&quot;-- Dell wants to launch a lead generation campaign

-- Dell can’t source the marketing lists themselves

-- Dell has to hire a list broker who sources it for them

-- That list broker does the research, makes the calls, and secures the list.

-- That process is what times up to 24 days to do

It’s the back and forth between the advertiser, list broker, list manager and list owner that is the problem. Our technology streamlines the process and brings it down to 30 minutes through automation.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article’s description of list marketing was my interpretation of how Dave Scott described it. Scott clarifies the process as follows:</p>
<p>“– Dell wants to launch a lead generation campaign</p>
<p>– Dell can’t source the marketing lists themselves</p>
<p>– Dell has to hire a list broker who sources it for them</p>
<p>– That list broker does the research, makes the calls, and secures the list.</p>
<p>– That process is what times up to 24 days to do</p>
<p>It’s the back and forth between the advertiser, list broker, list manager and list owner that is the problem. Our technology streamlines the process and brings it down to 30 minutes through automation.”</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy Stivaletti</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/08/26/marketfish-raises-cash-from-atlas-accelerator-looks-to-elbow-list-brokers-out-of-online-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-77923</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy Stivaletti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Scott clearly doesn&#039;t even understand the industry he is planning to cut out.  He states above that as a mailer, first you go and rent the lists you are interested in and then you get a list broker to represent you.  That&#039;s what I would call bassackwards.

Ridiculous that someone with so little knowledge of the relationship that is developed between mailer and broker from day one could make such statements.  And, further, attempt to build a business around trying to destroy it.

In my twenty years being a list broker, I have developed several campaigns for Dell and many other top tier mailers.  Most do not begin a discussion with a list of lists they wanted to rent.  Rather, together we look at the myriad of lists that are available within their market and hone in on the best lists for that particular campaign.

Choices are made based on response analysis tools, indepth review of available lists and current budget just to name a few things.  It doesn&#039;t seem to me that any of these decisions can be made in a shopping cart.  Most importantly, each mailer hires a list broker based on the skill set that matches their needs and then they work together to build a solid mail plan.

I would like to see a side by side test of the Marketfish product versus those chosen by a reputable list broker.  As a direct marketer, I will trust the results of the campaign as that is what rules the direct marketing industry.  Not buying lists from a shopping cart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Scott clearly doesn’t even understand the industry he is planning to cut out.  He states above that as a mailer, first you go and rent the lists you are interested in and then you get a list broker to represent you.  That’s what I would call bassackwards.</p>
<p>Ridiculous that someone with so little knowledge of the relationship that is developed between mailer and broker from day one could make such statements.  And, further, attempt to build a business around trying to destroy it.</p>
<p>In my twenty years being a list broker, I have developed several campaigns for Dell and many other top tier mailers.  Most do not begin a discussion with a list of lists they wanted to rent.  Rather, together we look at the myriad of lists that are available within their market and hone in on the best lists for that particular campaign.</p>
<p>Choices are made based on response analysis tools, indepth review of available lists and current budget just to name a few things.  It doesn’t seem to me that any of these decisions can be made in a shopping cart.  Most importantly, each mailer hires a list broker based on the skill set that matches their needs and then they work together to build a solid mail plan.</p>
<p>I would like to see a side by side test of the Marketfish product versus those chosen by a reputable list broker.  As a direct marketer, I will trust the results of the campaign as that is what rules the direct marketing industry.  Not buying lists from a shopping cart.</p>
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		<title>By: Make money with surveys &#8211; Marketfish Raises Cash from Alliance of Angels, Looks to Elbow List &#8211; Xconomy &#124; Resources for Making Money Online</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/08/26/marketfish-raises-cash-from-atlas-accelerator-looks-to-elbow-list-brokers-out-of-online-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-77871</link>
		<dc:creator>Make money with surveys &#8211; Marketfish Raises Cash from Alliance of Angels, Looks to Elbow List &#8211; Xconomy &#124; Resources for Making Money Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A stealthy Seattle startup in online marketing is starting to generate some buzz around town. Marketfish, which recently moved into new offices in Pioneer Square, has raised an undisclosed sum from private investors, led by Seattle-based Alliance of continue  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A stealthy Seattle startup in online marketing is starting to generate some buzz around town. Marketfish, which recently moved into new offices in Pioneer Square, has raised an undisclosed sum from private investors, led by Seattle-based Alliance of continue  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Pych / NextMark</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/08/26/marketfish-raises-cash-from-atlas-accelerator-looks-to-elbow-list-brokers-out-of-online-ads/comment-page-1/#comment-77820</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Pych / NextMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice that NextMark is recognized as the technology leader, but felt compelled to respond further through our blog: &lt;a href=&quot;http://nextmark.typepad.com/blog/2009/08/marketfish-aims-to-put-list-brokers-and-list-managers-out-of-business.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marketfish aims to put List Brokers and List Managers out of business&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s nice that NextMark is recognized as the technology leader, but felt compelled to respond further through our blog: <a href="http://nextmark.typepad.com/blog/2009/08/marketfish-aims-to-put-list-brokers-and-list-managers-out-of-business.html" rel="nofollow">Marketfish aims to put List Brokers and List Managers out of business</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory T. Huang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory T. Huang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NextMark president Joseph Pych wrote in to say, &quot;Just wanted to clarify that NextMark has not &#039;largely failed&#039;.  In fact, we are doing quite well with our &#039;playing nice&#039; strategy.  NextMark acquired Marketing Information Network last year and has continued to deliver innovative services to the marketplace.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NextMark president Joseph Pych wrote in to say, “Just wanted to clarify that NextMark has not ‘largely failed’.  In fact, we are doing quite well with our ‘playing nice’ strategy.  NextMark acquired Marketing Information Network last year and has continued to deliver innovative services to the marketplace.”</p>
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