Comments on: Hydrogen Cars: Saving the Environment’s a Gas http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/06/02/hydrogen-cars-saving-the-environments-a-gas/ Business + Technology in the Exponential Economy Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:08:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Russ Finley http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/06/02/hydrogen-cars-saving-the-environments-a-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-63662 Russ Finley Thu, 04 Jun 2009 05:53:17 +0000 http://www.xconomy.com/?p=27501#comment-63662 The following diagram tries to explain why hydrogen will never be used for car transport: http://home.comcast.net/~russ676/Graphics/img23.gif In addition, the hydrogen was made out of fossil fuels. The pollution emitted was all upstream. The following diagram tries to explain why hydrogen will never be used for car transport:

http://home.comcast.net/~russ676/Graphics/img23.gif

In addition, the hydrogen was made out of fossil fuels. The pollution emitted was all upstream.

]]> By: Reader http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/06/02/hydrogen-cars-saving-the-environments-a-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-63076 Reader Tue, 02 Jun 2009 22:37:19 +0000 http://www.xconomy.com/?p=27501#comment-63076 I think you need to look deeper than their greenwashed road tour. Hydrogen automobiles are a boondoggle that the auto and oil industry has been pushing for several decades now, because hydrogen provides a way to maintain control that BEV (battery electric) vehicles do not. Where the control is most important for the auto companies and Big Oil is control of the fuel supply and continued dealer maintenance revenue. The problems with the "hydrogen hype" are numerous. There is no hydrogen fuelling infrastructure, and building one is not economically feasible. The prototype cars you drove typically cost around a million dollars to build, because they rely on expensive platinum catalysts. Improvements in fuel cells have been slow in coming. Compare that to a BEV like the Tesla which is available now, you can refuel it yourself at home and it requires very little maintenance. And what was the source of the hydrogen that powered those vehicles? There are no "hydrogen wells". The source of most commercial hydrogen is fossil fuels, so it doesn't help with our addiction to foreign oil or global climate change. More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hype_about_Hydrogen I think you need to look deeper than their greenwashed road tour. Hydrogen automobiles are a boondoggle that the auto and oil industry has been pushing for several decades now, because hydrogen provides a way to maintain control that BEV (battery electric) vehicles do not. Where the control is most important for the auto companies and Big Oil is control of the fuel supply and continued dealer maintenance revenue.

The problems with the “hydrogen hype” are numerous. There is no hydrogen fuelling infrastructure, and building one is not economically feasible. The prototype cars you drove typically cost around a million dollars to build, because they rely on expensive platinum catalysts. Improvements in fuel cells have been slow in coming.

Compare that to a BEV like the Tesla which is available now, you can refuel it yourself at home and it requires very little maintenance.

And what was the source of the hydrogen that powered those vehicles? There are no “hydrogen wells”. The source of most commercial hydrogen is fossil fuels, so it doesn’t help with our addiction to foreign oil or global climate change.

More info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hype_about_Hydrogen

]]> By: Garry http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2009/06/02/hydrogen-cars-saving-the-environments-a-gas/comment-page-1/#comment-62919 Garry Tue, 02 Jun 2009 15:36:35 +0000 http://www.xconomy.com/?p=27501#comment-62919 Glad you enjoyed the ride! I would just add that for automakers the incentive for fuel cells integrated with batteries and capacitors for electric power trains - is a lower cost manufacturing platform. So the revolution is reducing the industry's Manufacturing Footprint, not Carbon Footprint. Moving beyond the combustion engine allows companies to reduce their supply chains and number of factories-- around more scalable and modular energy storage and conversion systems. So this is a plus for the environment and economy --- and add some digital software to this electric platform and suddently we can imagine sales around software enhanced driving experiences! So -- while batteries are likely to be first-- hydrogen fuel cells are going to play a major role in next generation electric vehicles. Thanks for sharing your experience! Garry G Editor The Energy Roadmap Glad you enjoyed the ride! I would just add that for automakers the incentive for fuel cells integrated with batteries and capacitors for electric power trains – is a lower cost manufacturing platform. So the revolution is reducing the industry’s Manufacturing Footprint, not Carbon Footprint. Moving beyond the combustion engine allows companies to reduce their supply chains and number of factories– around more scalable and modular energy storage and conversion systems.

So this is a plus for the environment and economy — and add some digital software to this electric platform and suddently we can imagine sales around software enhanced driving experiences!

So — while batteries are likely to be first– hydrogen fuel cells are going to play a major role in next generation electric vehicles.

Thanks for sharing your experience!
Garry G
Editor
The Energy Roadmap

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