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		<title>By: A Talk With Xconomy&#8217;s Wade Roush (Part 1 of 2) &#124; racetalkblog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Talk With Xconomy&#8217;s Wade Roush (Part 1 of 2) &#124; racetalkblog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and one idea that has been heavily talked about is charging readers. After reading your story “Boston Can Survive, Even Thrive, Without Today’s Globe” and another story in Media Nation I was convinced that enough people will turn to other sites or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: When Your Local Newspaper Shuts Down, Who Will Become Your Ron Burgundy? &#124; racetalkblog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>When Your Local Newspaper Shuts Down, Who Will Become Your Ron Burgundy? &#124; racetalkblog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Roush (Xconomy) addressed this question last week and made a convincing argument that various blogs in the Boston area are well-equip to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wade Roush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade Roush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting (if rather chilling, considering the corporate context) piece today in the New York Times about automated local news aggregators. It starts out: &quot;If your local newspaper shuts down, what will take the place of its coverage? Perhaps a package of information about your neighborhood, or even your block, assembled by a computer.&quot;

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/technology/start-ups/13hyperlocal.html

And one more interesting online journalism experiment, just launched over the weekend: True/Slant, funded by Forbes Media and Velocity Interactive Group: http://trueslant.com/dvorkin/2009/04/08/welcome-to-trueslant/. Walt Mossberg review of True/Slant: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123922742849502695.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting (if rather chilling, considering the corporate context) piece today in the New York Times about automated local news aggregators. It starts out: &#8220;If your local newspaper shuts down, what will take the place of its coverage? Perhaps a package of information about your neighborhood, or even your block, assembled by a computer.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/technology/start-ups/13hyperlocal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/technology/start-ups/13hyperlocal.html</a></p>
<p>And one more interesting online journalism experiment, just launched over the weekend: True/Slant, funded by Forbes Media and Velocity Interactive Group: <a href="http://trueslant.com/dvorkin/2009/04/08/welcome-to-trueslant/" rel="nofollow">http://trueslant.com/dvorkin/2009/04/08/welcome-to-trueslant/</a>. Walt Mossberg review of True/Slant: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123922742849502695.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123922742849502695.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wade Roush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade Roush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Mulvoy and John Dodge (both veteran newspapermen) are absolutely correct to point out that my piece does not answer the question of who would fill the Globe&#039;s shoes when it comes to muckraking and watchdogging. I don&#039;t think anyone has an answer to that question, yet. The reason I liked Clay Shirky&#039;s piece so much is that he dares to be blunt about this point: in real revolutions, he writes, &quot;The old stuff gets broken faster than the new stuff is put in its place.&quot; 

What I&#039;m trying to say is, let&#039;s not be overly sentimental about this. We can all agree that the Globe&#039;s passing would be a shame, and that a strong press is key to the functioning of a democracy. That agreement is beside the point. What the Globe needs to survive is either new revenues on the order of $100 million a year or more, or the equivalent in cost savings. It&#039;s difficult to see where the earnings would come from---certainly not from print advertising or subscriptions. But it&#039;s very easy to see where the savings would come from: by shutting down the presses, mothballing the delivery trucks, and scaling down the newsroom to the size of other respectable Web publications.

What I&#039;m also trying to say is that you might be surprised how much of the stuff needed to replace the Globe is already here. Local Web publications like GlobalPost or Xconomy certainly do not have the manpower---&quot;enough feet on the street,&quot; as Dodge puts it---to take over for the Globe. But we&#039;ve made a start, and (unlike the Globe, frankly) we&#039;re hungry, energetic, and inventive.

I cannot accept the proposition that local democracy is so fragile that it depends on the survival of a single newspaper. Mulvoy asks who is going to call public officials and other fat cats to account in the absence the today&#039;s costly newsrooms. Well, the Voice of San Diego is making a pretty good start---just this week the non-profit, online-only publication started publishing the results of a three-month investigation into a huge real-estate scam. And Manhattan-based ProPublica, with funding from the Sandler Foundation, is doing some great work covering the federal bailout and U.S. treatment of terrorism detainees. In other words, the online experiments we&#039;re already seeing leave me optimistic that journalism will survive the death of newspapers. And who knows, the immense openness of the Web might even create new varieties of populist muckraking, or new pressures for government transparency, that we can&#039;t imagine right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Mulvoy and John Dodge (both veteran newspapermen) are absolutely correct to point out that my piece does not answer the question of who would fill the Globe&#8217;s shoes when it comes to muckraking and watchdogging. I don&#8217;t think anyone has an answer to that question, yet. The reason I liked Clay Shirky&#8217;s piece so much is that he dares to be blunt about this point: in real revolutions, he writes, &#8220;The old stuff gets broken faster than the new stuff is put in its place.&#8221; </p>
<p>What I&#8217;m trying to say is, let&#8217;s not be overly sentimental about this. We can all agree that the Globe&#8217;s passing would be a shame, and that a strong press is key to the functioning of a democracy. That agreement is beside the point. What the Globe needs to survive is either new revenues on the order of $100 million a year or more, or the equivalent in cost savings. It&#8217;s difficult to see where the earnings would come from&#8212;certainly not from print advertising or subscriptions. But it&#8217;s very easy to see where the savings would come from: by shutting down the presses, mothballing the delivery trucks, and scaling down the newsroom to the size of other respectable Web publications.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m also trying to say is that you might be surprised how much of the stuff needed to replace the Globe is already here. Local Web publications like GlobalPost or Xconomy certainly do not have the manpower&#8212;&#8221;enough feet on the street,&#8221; as Dodge puts it&#8212;to take over for the Globe. But we&#8217;ve made a start, and (unlike the Globe, frankly) we&#8217;re hungry, energetic, and inventive.</p>
<p>I cannot accept the proposition that local democracy is so fragile that it depends on the survival of a single newspaper. Mulvoy asks who is going to call public officials and other fat cats to account in the absence the today&#8217;s costly newsrooms. Well, the Voice of San Diego is making a pretty good start&#8212;just this week the non-profit, online-only publication started publishing the results of a three-month investigation into a huge real-estate scam. And Manhattan-based ProPublica, with funding from the Sandler Foundation, is doing some great work covering the federal bailout and U.S. treatment of terrorism detainees. In other words, the online experiments we&#8217;re already seeing leave me optimistic that journalism will survive the death of newspapers. And who knows, the immense openness of the Web might even create new varieties of populist muckraking, or new pressures for government transparency, that we can&#8217;t imagine right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston without the Globe and Covering Itself &#171; The Dodge Retort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston without the Globe and Covering Itself &#171; The Dodge Retort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Roush wrote a lengthy piece in Xconomy saying Boston can do just fine sans the Globe because the web is already &#8220;teeming with great [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nan Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nan Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Mulvoy: spot-on.

Another thing I haven&#039;t seen addressed anywhere: where are people who don&#039;t have easy access to the Internet (or even if they do, aren&#039;t comfortable with it) going to get the content for which they currently rely on a daily paper Globe?  Going cold-turkey to online, or even going to a weekly print model, will disenfranchise hundreds of thousands.  There&#039;s some real ageism lurking in there, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Mulvoy: spot-on.</p>
<p>Another thing I haven&#8217;t seen addressed anywhere: where are people who don&#8217;t have easy access to the Internet (or even if they do, aren&#8217;t comfortable with it) going to get the content for which they currently rely on a daily paper Globe?  Going cold-turkey to online, or even going to a weekly print model, will disenfranchise hundreds of thousands.  There&#8217;s some real ageism lurking in there, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Mulvoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Mulvoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wade: To quote you: &quot;It’s hard to say who, in the post-newspaper era, will keep knocking on the doors that the powerful don’t want opened.&quot;

To me, that is the only substantial question that matters, and you pass over the issue in a single sentence without any expatiation. Sports and celebrity infotainment and columnist/blogger commentary about the state of our world and times that are offered as news are essentially fluff that anyone can drop onto an electronic page for what it&#039;s worth to an individual consumer. Locally, things like priest abuse, civil rights outrages, health care initiatives, government and political scandal, lender horrors etc. and etc. are something else again and it costs money (for things like libel protection, FOIA applications, defense counsel against suits), lots of time in courthouses and registries and online seeking data and diligence to dig something up and present findings that stand the test of credibility and legality. 
I have not read anywhere a decent notion of how, absent the costly organization of so-called watchdog journalism that is practiced in the now-dying form of energetic newspapers -- and the advertising and consumer investment that is needed to support it, in print and online -- presidents and the Congress and selectmen and every public official in between can regularly be called to account for their actions. Who&#039;s to push them if individual livelihoods are at risk when the powerful strike back?
This isn&#039;t a plug to keep newspapers alive just because the good ones are excellent watchdogs; it&#039;s a sentiment that we need to come to grips with what you pass over in a single sentence as we escort newspapers to their final resting places. Their electronic descendants will need a theory of the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wade: To quote you: &#8220;It’s hard to say who, in the post-newspaper era, will keep knocking on the doors that the powerful don’t want opened.&#8221;</p>
<p>To me, that is the only substantial question that matters, and you pass over the issue in a single sentence without any expatiation. Sports and celebrity infotainment and columnist/blogger commentary about the state of our world and times that are offered as news are essentially fluff that anyone can drop onto an electronic page for what it&#8217;s worth to an individual consumer. Locally, things like priest abuse, civil rights outrages, health care initiatives, government and political scandal, lender horrors etc. and etc. are something else again and it costs money (for things like libel protection, FOIA applications, defense counsel against suits), lots of time in courthouses and registries and online seeking data and diligence to dig something up and present findings that stand the test of credibility and legality.<br />
I have not read anywhere a decent notion of how, absent the costly organization of so-called watchdog journalism that is practiced in the now-dying form of energetic newspapers &#8212; and the advertising and consumer investment that is needed to support it, in print and online &#8212; presidents and the Congress and selectmen and every public official in between can regularly be called to account for their actions. Who&#8217;s to push them if individual livelihoods are at risk when the powerful strike back?<br />
This isn&#8217;t a plug to keep newspapers alive just because the good ones are excellent watchdogs; it&#8217;s a sentiment that we need to come to grips with what you pass over in a single sentence as we escort newspapers to their final resting places. Their electronic descendants will need a theory of the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Gregoire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Gregoire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughtful piece Wade. I would personally miss the Globe and the Sunday &#039;experience&#039; it offers me still. But I can&#039;t argue with the logic here and certainly newspapers seemed to have (incorrectly) defined their &#039;core competence&#039; as the medium (print newspaper) - or as too closely tied to the medium - rather than the content itself regardless of the medium. I do believe this thinking has lead to the current situation where its too late for many to course correct without disaster. Too bad. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful piece Wade. I would personally miss the Globe and the Sunday &#8216;experience&#8217; it offers me still. But I can&#8217;t argue with the logic here and certainly newspapers seemed to have (incorrectly) defined their &#8216;core competence&#8217; as the medium (print newspaper) &#8211; or as too closely tied to the medium &#8211; rather than the content itself regardless of the medium. I do believe this thinking has lead to the current situation where its too late for many to course correct without disaster. Too bad. :(</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what the former Rocky staffers have done with In Denver Times. Starting May 4th, the premium content goes behind the paid wall. Will be interesting to see how/if it succeeds: http://www.indenvertimes.com/

Why isn&#039;t the Herald ever discussed as the surviving print alternative to the Globe? A somewhat serious question.

Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what the former Rocky staffers have done with In Denver Times. Starting May 4th, the premium content goes behind the paid wall. Will be interesting to see how/if it succeeds: <a href="http://www.indenvertimes.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.indenvertimes.com/</a></p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t the Herald ever discussed as the surviving print alternative to the Globe? A somewhat serious question.</p>
<p>Rich</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Haber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Haber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was recently asked by someone if I would pay for an online subscription for Boston.com, and while I do go to the site every day, I said no. I also agree with you that there are many great blogs that focus on Boston news, which often dive deeper into their specific topics. That said, I do think it’s important that the Globe survives, but I also believe this can be moved completely online and serve the same purpose. It’s certainly less expensive, and if they really work to engage readers and create back-and-forth dialogue (maybe their reporters should get on Twitter!) then they can work to create a new revenue model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently asked by someone if I would pay for an online subscription for Boston.com, and while I do go to the site every day, I said no. I also agree with you that there are many great blogs that focus on Boston news, which often dive deeper into their specific topics. That said, I do think it’s important that the Globe survives, but I also believe this can be moved completely online and serve the same purpose. It’s certainly less expensive, and if they really work to engage readers and create back-and-forth dialogue (maybe their reporters should get on Twitter!) then they can work to create a new revenue model.</p>
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