Boulder and Denver, a Mile High Sibling Rivalry

3/28/13Follow @scodtt

Dear Xconomy,

Welcome to Colorado.

We’re glad to have you, but there’s a… thing you should know about. From the outside, the startup environment in Colorado just seems like one big funky but remarkably effective family of startup goodness. But, like any family, we have our internecine feuds. We are speaking, of course, about the whole Denver vs. Boulder thing.

If you ask a lot of people, they’ll tell you there’s nothing there, no rivalry at all. Those people either share a PR person’s loose affiliation with reality, or they are from Fort Collins, or Colorado Springs, or even Golden, and will try to tell you that it’s all really the same. It’s not.

Here’s the thing about the rivalry: It’s real, but it’s actually not all bad. In a weird way it’s kind of productive. It’s like the feud that went on between Tesla and Edison. It’s awkward but ultimately results in progress.

So, first the perceptions:

Denver’s view of Boulder: A quirky suburb that’s fun to visit for a day or for a restaurant and provides an endless stream of only-in-Boulder stories. (The latest is a dead elk that was family to some and “meat” to a couple cops straight out of a mashup of Fargo and Dumb and Dumber.)

Denver’s view of Boulder’s startups: They have weird names, weirder business models, and the “scene” is more like Glee than a business environment.

Boulder’s view of Denver: A big, boring city that doesn’t really have anything to do with Boulder. It’s as much a part of Boulder as, say Seattle or Chicago. It does have an airport, but with an Express Toll transponder in your Land Rover, you never even have to see Denver to get to the DIA garage. If you ask a Boulder VC or VC-funded CEO what the D in DIA is, it will take them a minute.

Boulder’s view of Denver’s startups: Fixated on “revenue” and something called “EBITDA,” and they don’t care at all about changing the world. Many of the startups don’t even have T-shirts.

Line of Demarcation

There’s a hill outside Boulder that is the defining line. Somehow that hill allows reality to remain out of reach of Boulder. Ask some Boulder residents to meet you for lunch in Louisville—which is literally one freeway stop away—they’ll look at you like you are asking to meet in Madagascar, and they will proclaim that they’ve Never Once Stopped There.

Boulder startups know more about Founders Den or General Assembly than they do about Galvanize or the Innovation Pavilion.

Denver startup leaders know that Boulder startups have funny names, but would be shocked to learn that Boulder startup Sketchup was bought by Google and its Boulder building has the largest number of Google engineers between California and the East Coast.

Boulder tech leaders also love to trumpet Boulder’s success, as they should. (Here’s one and here’s another and here’s another just from the last couple weeks in the Wall St. Journal. Not one of those mentions Denver.)

Denver startup leaders aren’t much better, having just launched a new site called Built In Denver. It would have killed them to call it Built in Colorado?

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Scott Yates is founder and CEO of BlogMutt, a Boulder-based startup that finds writers to create content for the blogs of clients. BlogMutt launched in 2010 and closed a seed funding round in late 2012. Follow @scodtt

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  • http://twitter.com/bdnt bdnt

    So 2010.

  • http://twitter.com/EugeneWan Eugene Wan

    Great post, Scott!

  • http://www.facebook.com/andrewhyde Andrew Hyde

    I’ve got my map out and am looking for this Denver place. Is that the airport? :)

    The jabs are fun but I think we are all proud to be in Colorado. Great post.

  • Andrew

    Eh. To be honest I hate the closed mindset of people in Boulder not wanting to drive anywhere. 20 miles isn’t far if you’ve lived somewhere else in the world. It’s unfortunate people seem to shudder over that distance when I used to drive 25+ mile in the same city to get to work.

    I love Boulder don’t get me wrong, but the scene can be very closed off, and very “elitest” at times. Sad thing is those that are “elitest” have nothing to feel elite about. You also have the problem of hiring in Boulder. It’s often small and people are afraid to open their arms to Denver, which makes it hard to attract talent. Our company had the issue and eventually moved all the way across the country because of it.

    Lastly I’m not so sure what’s bad about Denver startups being worried about revenue and not having t-shirts. Having a t-shirt doesn’t solidify your business. In fact if you’re worried about a t-shirt you’re probably not working on product.

    Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

    - Andrew, a Boulder resident that works for a NYC (former boulder) startup.

  • http://twitter.com/chrsmnrd Chris Menard

    Nice post Scott.

  • http://www.facebook.com/williamsacks Will Sacks

    Great post Scott. I love Boulder and I’m also happy Denver is right around the corner. I’ve met great startup people from both towns and they act as good counter balances to each other. Plus if Denver wasn’t here, my suit would never make it to the dry cleaners.