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		<title>By: calculate multiplier effect</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-113393</link>
		<dc:creator>calculate multiplier effect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the line about entrepreneurs making mistakes while thinking about percentage owned, as opposed to what it&#039;s worth.  Owning 75% something worth 1¢ is worse than owning 1% of a company worth $1000.

I know the numbers are small, but you get the point!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the line about entrepreneurs making mistakes while thinking about percentage owned, as opposed to what it’s worth.  Owning 75% something worth 1¢ is worse than owning 1% of a company worth $1000.</p>
<p>I know the numbers are small, but you get the point!</p>
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		<title>By: Simeon Simeonov</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-93290</link>
		<dc:creator>Simeon Simeonov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, yes, choosing the right investor partner is, within limits, more important than the financial deal. Only after you&#039;ve reduced the set of potential investors to those with good fit does it make sense to do the type of optimization I write about.

The second point you raise is interesting. There are counteracting effects there. I wonder whether anyone has done a study of the effects on founders&#039; returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, yes, choosing the right investor partner is, within limits, more important than the financial deal. Only after you’ve reduced the set of potential investors to those with good fit does it make sense to do the type of optimization I write about.</p>
<p>The second point you raise is interesting. There are counteracting effects there. I wonder whether anyone has done a study of the effects on founders’ returns.</p>
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		<title>By: James Geshwiler</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-93283</link>
		<dc:creator>James Geshwiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sim: very good points. I would suggest there&#039;s one larger factor in getting the best &quot;deal,&quot; which is having shared expectations with the investor about leadership and exit that works for the founders. It doesn&#039;t matter what deal a founder makes if A) they are gone from the company; or B) the investors push for an exit that&#039;s too high to ever happen. Investors have a portfolio; founders have one shot. If the investors give up because this deal ain&#039;t going to move their needle, the founder is the one left with the big zero. This may be part of your &quot;execution risk,&quot; but it&#039;s a more binary than linear variable.

In response to the other comments, somewhat counter intuitively, higher valuations can leave founders with nothing. Usually the higher the valuation, the more likely investors are inclined from the start to shoot for the moon. Even if the company is successful, there will be a lot more capital raised a long the way; the resulting dilution may not work out for the founder any better than a lower price on the first round and greater capital efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sim: very good points. I would suggest there’s one larger factor in getting the best “deal,” which is having shared expectations with the investor about leadership and exit that works for the founders. It doesn’t matter what deal a founder makes if A) they are gone from the company; or B) the investors push for an exit that’s too high to ever happen. Investors have a portfolio; founders have one shot. If the investors give up because this deal ain’t going to move their needle, the founder is the one left with the big zero. This may be part of your “execution risk,” but it’s a more binary than linear variable.</p>
<p>In response to the other comments, somewhat counter intuitively, higher valuations can leave founders with nothing. Usually the higher the valuation, the more likely investors are inclined from the start to shoot for the moon. Even if the company is successful, there will be a lot more capital raised a long the way; the resulting dilution may not work out for the founder any better than a lower price on the first round and greater capital efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Simeon Simeonov</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-93059</link>
		<dc:creator>Simeon Simeonov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I will email you my cell. Look forward to discussing.

The point of the article is true--pre-money (true or not) is absolutely not the sole variable to optimize on. 

Yes, I&#039;m Bulgarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I will email you my cell. Look forward to discussing.</p>
<p>The point of the article is true–pre-money (true or not) is absolutely not the sole variable to optimize on. </p>
<p>Yes, I’m Bulgarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Krassen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krassen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, would love to talk, but am stuck at an airport, going to Beijing for a week now. Sorry for the snark; article sounds a bit as lecturing founders to take lower value in exchange for more money, which is a nasty double hit. You may chose more money/higher dil, but not at expense of premoney Val
are you Bulgarian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, would love to talk, but am stuck at an airport, going to Beijing for a week now. Sorry for the snark; article sounds a bit as lecturing founders to take lower value in exchange for more money, which is a nasty double hit. You may chose more money/higher dil, but not at expense of premoney Val<br />
are you Bulgarian?</p>
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		<title>By: Simeon Simeonov</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-93052</link>
		<dc:creator>Simeon Simeonov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Krassen, thanks for joining the conversation.

Let me address your points first:

1. Your statement that entrepreneurs should always try to get higher pre-money valuation is not great advice for two reasons

1.1. Pre-money typically includes an option pool. Given the same raise amount, would you prefer a $5M pre with $4M option pool or a $4M pre with a $2M pool. Not sure about you, but I&#039;ll go with the $4M deal in almost all cases. The anti-dilution effect of a large option pool cannot compensate the additional founder dilution of case one.

1.2. Perhaps you were referring to true pre-money (the founders&#039; stake) as opposed to just pre-money (which includes the option pool). Even then, entrepreneurs should absolutely not go on valuation alone. Valuation alone is the guide only if everything else is the same (pool, raise, terms). I mention this in the article. However, when other things are not equal, you have to start making the types of comparisons this article is about.

2. In my experience as both an entrepreneur and and VC I haven&#039;t found VCs &quot;lying&quot; with numbers. Most are happy to share a spreadsheet with their financing model. Not sure how one can &quot;lie&quot; in this case as both numbers and formulas are there for everyone to see. If you are referring to spin, however, I&#039;m 100% with you. Not all but some VCs exploit the informational advantage they have with respect to entrepreneurs. They don&#039;t spend enough time educating entrepreneurs about the process and about the terms, math and consequences of what&#039;s happening. At the same time, entrepreneurs are not interested/focused-enough to learn about this. Time and time again I&#039;ve found entrepreneurs not sufficiently curious about the business models of venture firms and the intricacies of financings.

3. I&#039;m not sure what you are referring to with respect to Polaris. For the record, I&#039;ve long left the firm and am currently with FastIgnite. If you want to chat with me privately about something that happened, shoot me an email. Contact info is at http://fastignite.com/about.

As for the numbers, I can certainly have a bug in the calculator. Will look more closely at it today. But I&#039;m afraid you may be misunderstanding the concept of the execution multiplier (or I&#039;m not clear about your math). The execution multiplier applies not to the total amount of capital raised but to the delta ($500K in the example). Perhaps we should chat on the phone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Krassen, thanks for joining the conversation.</p>
<p>Let me address your points first:</p>
<p>1. Your statement that entrepreneurs should always try to get higher pre-money valuation is not great advice for two reasons</p>
<p>1.1. Pre-money typically includes an option pool. Given the same raise amount, would you prefer a $5M pre with $4M option pool or a $4M pre with a $2M pool. Not sure about you, but I’ll go with the $4M deal in almost all cases. The anti-dilution effect of a large option pool cannot compensate the additional founder dilution of case one.</p>
<p>1.2. Perhaps you were referring to true pre-money (the founders’ stake) as opposed to just pre-money (which includes the option pool). Even then, entrepreneurs should absolutely not go on valuation alone. Valuation alone is the guide only if everything else is the same (pool, raise, terms). I mention this in the article. However, when other things are not equal, you have to start making the types of comparisons this article is about.</p>
<p>2. In my experience as both an entrepreneur and and VC I haven’t found VCs “lying” with numbers. Most are happy to share a spreadsheet with their financing model. Not sure how one can “lie” in this case as both numbers and formulas are there for everyone to see. If you are referring to spin, however, I’m 100% with you. Not all but some VCs exploit the informational advantage they have with respect to entrepreneurs. They don’t spend enough time educating entrepreneurs about the process and about the terms, math and consequences of what’s happening. At the same time, entrepreneurs are not interested/focused-enough to learn about this. Time and time again I’ve found entrepreneurs not sufficiently curious about the business models of venture firms and the intricacies of financings.</p>
<p>3. I’m not sure what you are referring to with respect to Polaris. For the record, I’ve long left the firm and am currently with FastIgnite. If you want to chat with me privately about something that happened, shoot me an email. Contact info is at <a href="http://fastignite.com/about" rel="nofollow">http://fastignite.com/about</a>.</p>
<p>As for the numbers, I can certainly have a bug in the calculator. Will look more closely at it today. But I’m afraid you may be misunderstanding the concept of the execution multiplier (or I’m not clear about your math). The execution multiplier applies not to the total amount of capital raised but to the delta ($500K in the example). Perhaps we should chat on the phone?</p>
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		<title>By: Krassen Dimitrov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krassen Dimitrov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, this makes absolutely ZERO sense whatsoever. 

Let&#039;s assume a 100% multiplier

In Case 1 the &quot;Future&quot; value of the company will be $10.5M ($7.5M post-money plus $3M execution &quot;value-add&quot;), of which Founders will own 35%. Thus the value of their holding will be 0.35x10.5M= $3.675M

In case 2 the Future value of the co. will be $11.277M ($7.777M post-money + execution bump of $3.5M), of which the Founders will own 30%. Thus the value of their holding will be 0.30x11.277M= $3.38M

$3.675M &gt; $3.38M

Now let&#039;s look at the VCs. In case 1 their future holding will be valued at 0.4x10.5M= $4.2M, and in case 2 it will be valued at 0.45x11.277M= $5.07M

Case 1 is better for Founders, Case 2 is better for VCs. 

Summary:

1.Always, ALWAYS, try to get higher pre-money valuation.
2. Many VCs lie with numbers.
3. #2 is especially true if the VC is with Polaris (see GreenFuel Technologies, Inc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, this makes absolutely ZERO sense whatsoever. </p>
<p>Let’s assume a 100% multiplier</p>
<p>In Case 1 the “Future” value of the company will be $10.5M ($7.5M post-money plus $3M execution “value-add”), of which Founders will own 35%. Thus the value of their holding will be 0.35×10.5M= $3.675M</p>
<p>In case 2 the Future value of the co. will be $11.277M ($7.777M post-money + execution bump of $3.5M), of which the Founders will own 30%. Thus the value of their holding will be 0.30×11.277M= $3.38M</p>
<p>$3.675M &gt; $3.38M</p>
<p>Now let’s look at the VCs. In case 1 their future holding will be valued at 0.4×10.5M= $4.2M, and in case 2 it will be valued at 0.45×11.277M= $5.07M</p>
<p>Case 1 is better for Founders, Case 2 is better for VCs. </p>
<p>Summary:</p>
<p>1.Always, ALWAYS, try to get higher pre-money valuation.<br />
2. Many VCs lie with numbers.<br />
3. #2 is especially true if the VC is with Polaris (see GreenFuel Technologies, Inc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Personality test for entrepreneurs &#171; HighContrast</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-92861</link>
		<dc:creator>Personality test for entrepreneurs &#171; HighContrast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Venture Capital trackback  I&#8217;ve had several interesting conversation following the article on negotiating a better series A deal. Entrepreneurs write and ask for advice on a specific situation. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s really [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Evaluating Series A financing options &#171; HighContrast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evaluating Series A financing options &#171; HighContrast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Venture Capital trackback  I&#8217;ve had several interesting conversation following the article on negotiating a better series A deal. Entrepreneurs write and ask for advice on a specific situation. Unfortunately, it&#8217;s really [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Xconomy - Negotiating a Better "Series A" &#124; Upand$tarting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xconomy - Negotiating a Better "Series A" &#124; Upand$tarting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VC Nuggets of the day &#171; VC World Journey</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-92703</link>
		<dc:creator>VC Nuggets of the day &#171; VC World Journey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-11-13 &#171; Blarney Fellow</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-11-13 &#171; Blarney Fellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Simeon Simeonov</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-92174</link>
		<dc:creator>Simeon Simeonov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Healy, you are absolutely right, which is why it is important to target the right investors in the first place.

Kathi, thanks, I appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Healy, you are absolutely right, which is why it is important to target the right investors in the first place.</p>
<p>Kathi, thanks, I appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathi Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-92156</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathi Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the best articles on Funding I have read in a long time. The focus on win-win is key and since we work with a number of early-stage technology, life science, and Cleantech companies we know how important that is to their success. 

We posted the link to the article on our Blog and also sent it off via email to clients we know are raising money.

Thank you, Sim, from all of our early-stage clients and prospects winding their way through this confusing labyrinth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the best articles on Funding I have read in a long time. The focus on win-win is key and since we work with a number of early-stage technology, life science, and Cleantech companies we know how important that is to their success. </p>
<p>We posted the link to the article on our Blog and also sent it off via email to clients we know are raising money.</p>
<p>Thank you, Sim, from all of our early-stage clients and prospects winding their way through this confusing labyrinth</p>
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		<title>By: Sim Simeonov on getting a higher series A valuation &#124; Startable - Healy Jones' &#38; Prasad Thammineni's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sim Simeonov on getting a higher series A valuation &#124; Startable - Healy Jones' &#38; Prasad Thammineni's Blog</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Simeonov (a much higher profile Boston-area former VC than me) just published a good post on raising a Series A venture round. I agree with the majority of his points, although he does postulate that it may make sense to ask [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Healy Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/11/12/negotiating-a-better-series-a-deal/comment-page-1/#comment-92136</link>
		<dc:creator>Healy Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you nailed it with point #2, that VCs are looking for a particular % ownership in the company. As I&#039;ve blogged about before, I think VCs major valuation tool is how much of the company they&#039;d like to own; thus the more $ you ask for the higher pre-money you are likely to be offered (within reason, of course. And assuming you can raise anything at all.) So to your final point that asking for additional money might be worth it even if you end up with owning less of the company may  be less of a trade-off if you ask for it upfront and the request is reasonable.
My post on how VCs value early stage startups is http://www.startable.com/2009/05/18/early-stage-venture-capital-valuations/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you nailed it with point #2, that VCs are looking for a particular % ownership in the company. As I’ve blogged about before, I think VCs major valuation tool is how much of the company they’d like to own; thus the more $ you ask for the higher pre-money you are likely to be offered (within reason, of course. And assuming you can raise anything at all.) So to your final point that asking for additional money might be worth it even if you end up with owning less of the company may  be less of a trade-off if you ask for it upfront and the request is reasonable.<br />
My post on how VCs value early stage startups is <a href="http://www.startable.com/2009/05/18/early-stage-venture-capital-valuations/" rel="nofollow">http://www.startable.com/2009/05/18/early-stage-venture-capital-valuations/</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>peHUB &#187; peHUB First Read</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Web Resources for Start-Ups &#171; Connecticut Technology &#38; Intellectual Property</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Resources for Start-Ups &#171; Connecticut Technology &#38; Intellectual Property</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Simeon (Sim) Simeonov, the founder and CEO of FastIgnite (which provides executive advisory services to entrepreneurs and companies), has great article at Xconomy/Boston explaining the in&#8217;s and out&#8217;s of negotiating a Series A/seed venture deal (Negotiating a Better Series A Deal). [...]</description>
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